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#8129: "Oort Refinery not properly credited for System Diversity"
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System Diversity not awarded at end of Settle phase though three colors were available normally and the Alien Oort Cloud Refinery's power had been used that phase.• Ist der Regelverstoß in der Spielwiederholung zu sehen? Falls ja, bei welcher Zugnummer?
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25. Aug 2017 19:39 • ymarcow • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern noch nicht nachvollzogen:
The bug might be, at a guess, the incorrectly coded assumption that the card color type cannot be changed when there's a good on it.
I dug pretty thoroughly into that and can't find any support for that anywhere in the rules or the cards wordings, or in any forum discussions such as boardgamegeek.com/thread/715642/alien-oort-cloud-refinery where comments explicitly support (and none refute) changing type to a type different than the good.
I dug pretty thoroughly into that and can't find any support for that anywhere in the rules or the cards wordings, or in any forum discussions such as boardgamegeek.com/thread/715642/alien-oort-cloud-refinery where comments explicitly support (and none refute) changing type to a type different than the good.
28. Aug 2017 13:50 • galehar • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
There is no good on Oort during the last settle phase, so it's hard to tell what the world type is at the moment. Having a good on the world doesn't prevent the use of Oort's power. However, the good type cannot be different than the world type. If you change the world type it also changes the good type.
You say that the Oort's power has been used that phase. Are you sure you selected a Genes (green) type? You did it before the end of the phase?
I'm considering adding the current chosen type for Oort on the tooltip, as it is currently impossible to tell which is the current type if there's no good on it.
You say that the Oort's power has been used that phase. Are you sure you selected a Genes (green) type? You did it before the end of the phase?
I'm considering adding the current chosen type for Oort on the tooltip, as it is currently impossible to tell which is the current type if there's no good on it.
4. Nov 2017 19:46 • ymarcow • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
Still a bug. Hit this again on table #34927893 , when System Diversity wasn't awarded even though there wasn't even a good on the Oort Refinery.
4. Nov 2017 20:03 • ymarcow • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
Hit a variant this yet again on the next game at table #34928384 ... Largest Industry still not awarded around turn #90 despite the three blue goods/worlds (and only two or the opponent)
4. Nov 2017 23:15 • galehar • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
#34927893: from the replay, it looks like you changed the kind to novelty good (blue). You needed genes (green) to gain system diversity. The current kind can now be seen in the tooltip. Maybe I'll add kind changes to the log to make it even more clear.
#34928384: did you manually changed the oort kind to blue or brown before the end of the settle phase? You have to do it to earn goals.
#34928384: did you manually changed the oort kind to blue or brown before the end of the settle phase? You have to do it to earn goals.
12. Dez 2017 9:13 • gregory-us • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
it also didn't count toward the blue/brown world bonus, either during the game or at the end
1. Feb 2018 23:02 • Marphod • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
37355699 move 50.
Brown good on oort cloud, green, blue and yellow worlds, did not get system diversity.
my understanding is, regardless of the good on the world (which, iirc, isn't set until it is _used_, as irl games don't have color coded goods), the oort cloud is all four colors, all the time. A planet has a good on it, or not. What that good type is is defined by the planet it is on.
Brown good on oort cloud, green, blue and yellow worlds, did not get system diversity.
my understanding is, regardless of the good on the world (which, iirc, isn't set until it is _used_, as irl games don't have color coded goods), the oort cloud is all four colors, all the time. A planet has a good on it, or not. What that good type is is defined by the planet it is on.
1. Feb 2018 23:12 • galehar • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
Page 15 of the BoW rules:
The Alien Oort Cloud Refinery’s kind is chosen when placed, can be changed by its owner at any time, and is chosen (once) before scoring.
So no, it's not all four colors all the time. It's one color, of the player choice and can be changed anytime, regardless of whether the world has a good on it or not. When it doesn't have a good, you can see the current kind in the tooltip. Changing the kind is also now logged in the messages.
Also, System Diversity can only be awarded at the end of the settle phase (hence the III in the top left corner of the tile).
The Alien Oort Cloud Refinery’s kind is chosen when placed, can be changed by its owner at any time, and is chosen (once) before scoring.
So no, it's not all four colors all the time. It's one color, of the player choice and can be changed anytime, regardless of whether the world has a good on it or not. When it doesn't have a good, you can see the current kind in the tooltip. Changing the kind is also now logged in the messages.
Also, System Diversity can only be awarded at the end of the settle phase (hence the III in the top left corner of the tile).
22. Mär 2020 4:30 • winter_leopard • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
See Table #67683785, end of game. I had 3 types and Alien Oort Refinery, so System Diversity should have been awarded to me. The bug may stem from the fact that when the Oort Refinery was placed, it asked for the type, and I selected Novelty. However, the cards says the type can be chosen at any time and at game end. Perhaps the solution is to also award it if the Oort Refinery is in play and someone has three world types, and potentially also be able to change the type at the beginning and/or end of every phase, including game end.
22. Mär 2020 4:36 • winter_leopard • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
Perhaps ignore some of my last as I see you can select the type at any time using the tooltip. However, automatically awarding System Diversity at the end of the settle phase when someone has the Oort Refinery in play and also has three world types may be a good added solution and will help eliminate some people's confusion as to why it was not awarded.
14. Apr 2020 8:03 • gabrielcdc • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
I had this problem as well, table #74406489. I repeatedly selected "Genes" as the type but was not awarded System Diversity until later building a separate genes planet.
29. Apr 2020 6:33 • FlyingArrow • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
Same issue. Game #80772981
1. Mai 2020 4:02 • FlyingArrow • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
I could be wrong, but I'm not sure Oort Cloud is looked at AT ALL for goals. I had 3 alien cards (keyword ALIEN goal, not the color yellow), and I didn't get credit for it. Oort Cloud was one of the 3. I played a 4th one and got credit for it. This was a different game and I forgot to record the game number.
9. Mai 2020 0:07 • FlyingArrow • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
This is marked as "infoneeded". What information is still needed?
2. Okt 2020 20:36 • McJarvis • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
Same issue game #115139623--- game ended with no option to configure oort cloud for system diversity. No one achieved it as a result.
2. Okt 2020 20:38 • McJarvis • Die Entwickler brauchen mehr Informationen, um den Fehler nachzuvollziehen:
No opportunity was given during the settle phase to change it, either.
20. Jan 2021 16:34 • galehar • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
I will make it more reliable.
27. Jan 2021 17:36 • AAASSS20 • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
adding another data point: boardgamearena.com/9/raceforthegalaxy?table=135138169
i settled oort refinery at the end of the game, and it doesn't look like it'll count for the diversity bonus.
i settled oort refinery at the end of the game, and it doesn't look like it'll count for the diversity bonus.
27. Jan 2021 20:39 • galehar • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
@AAASSS20 : you'll get the goal as soon as the settle phase is over.
28. Jan 2021 3:05 • AAASSS20 • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
indeed, i did get the bonus! i guess the fact that one player had logistics or something meant that the phase wasn't yet done when i thought it was. thanks!
8. Nov 2021 19:41 • gentil • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
after a settle for another world and THEN a switch, doesn't trigger it until the next settle phase, no matter the switches of color inbetween
2. Mai 2022 3:03 • qzhdad • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
Similarly, the goal for blue/brown worlds isn’t awarded
16. Aug 2022 2:33 • skrohmagnon • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
boardgamearena.com/4/raceforthegalaxy?table=291935270
the goal for blue/brown is tied but I have 3 worlds and my opponent 0. I should earn 5 points not 3.
the goal for blue/brown is tied but I have 3 worlds and my opponent 0. I should earn 5 points not 3.
8. Okt 2022 18:26 • ColShaw • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
Ran into this just a moment ago. Fortunately, didn't affect the outcome of the game, but I should've gotten the Diversity goal.
boardgamearena.com/1/raceforthegalaxy?table=306657458
boardgamearena.com/1/raceforthegalaxy?table=306657458
22. Nov 2022 18:32 • kourepai • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
I had the same problem. Blue, brown and yellow in the settle phase + alien oort, didn't give the system diversity.
Table ID: 320031934
However this is part of a bigger problem, please see bug report #70984: "Alien oort cloud refinery wrong implementation"
Table ID: 320031934
However this is part of a bigger problem, please see bug report #70984: "Alien oort cloud refinery wrong implementation"
14. Jul 2023 21:21 • bigmanz123 • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
Any update on what's going on with this bug? It just happened again at my arena table #396864140.
13. Sep 2024 16:25 • Argotron • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern bestätigt:
I had the same problem. One interesting detail is that when I was producing with Diversified Economy, I got a prompt to "undefined" when using the +1 card per type of good produced benefit. In the end Diversified Economy seemed to behave properly despite the flawed text, but I should have won the System Diversity award and I did not.
Replay Race for the Galaxy #562186247
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Replay Race for the Galaxy #562186247
Move 65
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