#62942: "90% win after picking wonders. An easy way to equalize the initial odds"
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There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
• Bitte erkläre, was du machen wolltest, was du dann getan hast und was dann passiert ist
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Google Chrome v100
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There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
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• Bitte erkläre deinen Vorschlag so präzise und genau wie möglich, damit er leicht zu verstehen ist.
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
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• Was wurde auf dem Bildschirm angezeigt, als du blockiert wurdest (weißer Bildschirm? Teil der Spieloberfläche? Fehlermeldung?)
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
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• Welcher Teil der Spielregel wurde durch die BGA-Adaption nicht beachtet?
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
• Ist der Regelverstoß in der Spielwiederholung zu sehen? Falls ja, bei welcher Zugnummer?
• Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
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• Welche Spielaktion wolltest du durchführen?
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
• Was versuchst du, um diese Spielaktion auszulösen?
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• Was passiert, wenn du dies versuchst (Fehlermeldung, Statusmeldung des Spiels, ...)?
• Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
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• An welcher Stelle im Spiel ist das Problem aufgetreten? Was war die aktuelle Spielanweisung?
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. -
• Was passiert, wenn du die Spielaktion ausführen möchtest (Fehlermeldung, Statusmeldung des Spiels, ...)?
• Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
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• Bitte beschreibe die Anzeigeschwierigkeiten. Wenn du einen Screenshot dieses Fehlers hast (empfohlene Vorgehensweise), kannst du einen Bild‑Hosting‑Dienst deiner Wahl verwenden (snipboard.io zum Beispiel), um ihn hochzuladen und den Link hier einzufügen.
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
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• Bitte kopiere den Text, der in Englisch anstatt in deiner Sprache angezeigt wird, und füge ihn hier ein. Wenn du einen Screenshot dieses Fehlers hast (empfohlene Vorgehensweise), kannst du einen Bild‑Hosting‑Dienst deiner Wahl verwenden (snipboard.io zum Beispiel), um ihn hochzuladen und den Link hier einzufügen. Ist dieser Text auf der Übersetzungsseite verfügbar? Wenn ja, wurde dieser vor mehr als 24 Stunden übersetzt?
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
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• Bitte erkläre deinen Vorschlag so präzise und genau wie möglich, damit er leicht zu verstehen ist.
There are often situations in the game (i'm mostly speaking about vanilla version now) when the outcome of the game is predetermined after the choice of wonders. Replays and the starting move give a serious advantage. If the first player got 3 wonders with replays, and the second got only one (plus theology is not among the science tokens), then the first player will win with a probability of more than 90% (if he is not a newbie, of course).
There is a simple solution. Before the start, the second player should be given a choice in which of the two fours he will choose a wonder first, and in which – second. Then the situation described above will not happen and the starting chances will always be within 40–60%. • Welchen Browser benutzt du?
Google Chrome v100
Meldungshistorie
Dura 10min la partida... Si cree el 10% de probabilidad de victoria es poco, conceder la victoria al rival y empezar nuevamente otra partida.
Lo que si, sugieren al final, puede ser opción de configuración en la modalidad de juego, siempre con la aprobación necesaria de autor, editor, diseñador, desarrollador, etc.
The paper suggests that 7WD with its current rules has a win rate of around 67% for the first player. It also suggests that the go-again wonders are the most valuable (in-line with human experience).
I suggest that any alternate variations of wonder selection are made with balancing the overall game in mind, and offered as variations on setup to allow players to still play by the published rules if they wish, or these variants.
In summary these variants as described in the paper are:
<quote>
In these variants, the player making the first decision is not
necessarily the same as the player starting age I. Therefore,
we refer to the two players as Aristotle and Cleopatra. We
report the estimated win rate for Cleopatra.
• Variant 1 (60.0% win rate): After seeing the first 4
wonders, Aristotle decides whether to start the first draft;
the other player starts the second draft. Cleopatra starts
age I. This variant is known within the 7WD community.
• Variant 2 (54.6% win rate): In both the first and sec-
ond draft, after seeing the 4 wonders, Aristotle decides
whether to start the draft. Cleopatra starts age I. The win
rate is comparable to the expected score for white in
Chess, deemed acceptable for competitive play.
• Variant 3 (51.6% win rate): Aristotle sees all 8 available
wonders; he assigns 4 to the player starting age I and
the remaining 4 to the other player. Cleopatra then
decides whether to start age I. This can be considered
an “expert variant”, as optimal play requires an advanced
understanding of the strengths of the wonders.
</quote>
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