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#146974: "Can't use the card Hired Raiders when my opponent has 0M€ and 0 steel"
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in a 2p game, i wanted to play the card Hired Raiders (to gain 3M€ thanks to the card Media Groups)• Was versuchst du, um diese Spielaktion auszulösen?
i tried to play the card Hired Raiders• Was passiert, wenn du dies versuchst (Fehlermeldung, Statusmeldung des Spiels, ...)?
i wasn't able to click on Hired Raiders (by hovering it, it says that immediate effect cannot be resolved). But it's false the immediate effects of Hired Raiders can always be resolved, stealing, as it is [removing + gaining the same amount of resources] work the same way as removing resources from any player.
that's to say that it's includes in the 3rd exception of resolving all effects of a card, so you can always ignore or do partially the effect. So you should always be able to play Hired Raiders if you can pay for the card
So in my case i should be able to play Hired Raiders even if my opponent has 0M€ and 0 steel• Welchen Browser benutzt du?
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25. Nov 2024 23:46 •
Victoria_La • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern noch nicht nachvollzogen:
25. Nov 2024 23:53 • I don't think you can steal 0 resources (do you have bgg thread to prove otherwise?)
xspuipuke • Der Fehler wurde von den Entwicklern noch nicht nachvollzogen:
26. Nov 2024 1:35 •
26. Nov 2024 1:36 • Found this post from Jacob on BGG: boardgamegeek.com/thread/1839646/article/26813906#26813906
In it, he confirms that you cannot steal 0 resources. Thus, this is not a bug.
In it, he confirms that you cannot steal 0 resources. Thus, this is not a bug.
snakelauncher • Das ist kein Fehler:
26. Nov 2024 3:10 • "Found this post from Jacob on BGG: boardgamegeek.com/thread/1839646/article/26813906#26813906
In it, he confirms that you cannot steal 0 resources. Thus, this is not a bug."
what you say is wrong, he doesn't say that you can't steal 0 resource.
Jacob said "using the iconography used for Predators would not have worked well since removing opposing resources is optional, but stealing requires you to actually steal something."
So he said that the iconography of predators can't work for Hired Raiders because when you steal you're required to receive the resources you remove (as steal is remove+gain the same amount in one effect)
And even more On the card it's also clearly specified "up to" in reference to the 3rd exception of the rules p9 or p15 for the red bordered icons
imgur.com/a/Whivtsv
So Steal, as remove is clearly optional
In it, he confirms that you cannot steal 0 resources. Thus, this is not a bug."
what you say is wrong, he doesn't say that you can't steal 0 resource.
Jacob said "using the iconography used for Predators would not have worked well since removing opposing resources is optional, but stealing requires you to actually steal something."
So he said that the iconography of predators can't work for Hired Raiders because when you steal you're required to receive the resources you remove (as steal is remove+gain the same amount in one effect)
And even more On the card it's also clearly specified "up to" in reference to the 3rd exception of the rules p9 or p15 for the red bordered icons
imgur.com/a/Whivtsv
So Steal, as remove is clearly optional
Victoria_La • Das ist kein Fehler:
26. Nov 2024 3:29 • No there are other precedents of this such as convertion of X->X cannot be done with X as 0 (that is confirmed)
Also Steal considered a single action not "removing X" resources than "adding X"
Also Steal considered a single action not "removing X" resources than "adding X"
snakelauncher • Das ist kein Fehler:
26. Nov 2024 3:59 • "No there are other precedents of this such as convertion of X->X cannot be done with X as 0 (that is confirmed)
Also Steal considered a single action not "removing X" resources than "adding X""
X-> cannot be 0 yes because you need to pay the cost of the action, and "paying 0" is not paying since you didn't pay something
As for Hired Raiders since you steal UP TO 2 steels (for example), if you decide to "steal 0 steel", you will not have stolen anything so it will not trigger effect like Mons Insurance, but it exactly the same thing as when you "Remove up to 2 plants" for example, you can also remove 0 resources
and yes as i said above steal is one effect but still has the red bordered rules
AND even if you ignore all of this, hired raiders steal from any player so you could target yourself to play the card (like for the remove effects) (but anyway there's still the "up to" in hired raiders text
Also Steal considered a single action not "removing X" resources than "adding X""
X-> cannot be 0 yes because you need to pay the cost of the action, and "paying 0" is not paying since you didn't pay something
As for Hired Raiders since you steal UP TO 2 steels (for example), if you decide to "steal 0 steel", you will not have stolen anything so it will not trigger effect like Mons Insurance, but it exactly the same thing as when you "Remove up to 2 plants" for example, you can also remove 0 resources
and yes as i said above steal is one effect but still has the red bordered rules
AND even if you ignore all of this, hired raiders steal from any player so you could target yourself to play the card (like for the remove effects) (but anyway there's still the "up to" in hired raiders text
xspuipuke • Das ist kein Fehler:
30. Nov 2024 11:26 • You’re wrong, snake. You even quoted the part where Jacob clearly says „stealing requires you to actually steal something“. Predators does not use the „steal“ keyword and that‘s what Jacob was talking about before that line.
If I go to a shop and steal 0 items, can the shop owner call the police?
If I go to a shop and steal 0 items, can the shop owner call the police?
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